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by Bill Sanders - October 27, 2008

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Trolls AB FAQ Permalink

"Troll" can be both a noun and a verb. As a noun, it means "those who exhibit internet trolling behavior". As a verb, it means, basically, "doing what internet trolls do". If you are called that, it means you've done, or at least they think you did something negative to someone, either toward them, or toward someone else.

In answer to a duplicate question of "I heard people talking about trolls on AB, what are they?" New Window, I responded as follows:

Trolls, on AB, will downrate (give negative points) to questions or answers that are good. SOME trolls actually leave comments (not often, here!). Most of the comments are negative, either to the person asking or answering the question. This will happen on more than one question. Not all commenting trolls downrate.

Many of the high-level trolls (-3 to -5), don't like the person, and will hit many of their Qs & As. In others, they don't like certain questions, so DR everyone who answers. In even others, they don't like a certain view, so they will DR anyone with those views (usually on a single question).

MANY of the low-level trolls are kids (low-level = -1 or -2) home from school, and they like to see the reactions people have. Some are new, and think if they DR you, it will keep you from achieving the next level. This is not true. The points ONLY count against your question or answer, specifically, and you question and answer percentages, generally.

NOT EVERYONE WHO DOWNRATES A QUESTION OR ANSWER IS A TROLL. They will truly think the question is not good, or the answer is not helpful. They usually only hit a single answer.

Personally, if I get DRed on a question, I pretty much ignore it. If I get DRed on an answer, and I believe it's good, I will comment, asking the DRer what's wrong with it, or make a joke. It helps me release any anger I might have, and I'm done with it.

Too many people think they know WHO DRed them, but most are probably wrong. There's no real way to tell, unless they tell you they did. Only STAFF can.

And NO... Trolls can't physically hurt you... Only your feelings. ;-)

Here's how to deal with trolls - http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/2841839 New Window

Answer originally posted in response to Who and what are these TROLLS on Answerbag? What exactly can they do? Can they do anything to hurt or harm people? New Window

[Format changed slightly. My highlights and buttons added -wds]

Wikipedia has a number of articles on the various types of Internet Trolls New Window, including an essay entitled, "What is a troll?" New Window, that, while written specifically for Wikipedia, pretty much could be translated for Answerbag.

So, all in all, a Troll is simply someone who wants to disrupt a website. On Answerbag, they will:

  1. downrate (without commenting)
    1. good and bad answers (MORE THAN ONE!)
    2. anyone they don't agree with
    3. a person they dislike
    4. and more
  2. argue all the time, usually nastily
  3. call the person they're arguing with and anyone who attempts to intervene vile names
  4. if they actually comment (argue/name-calling), they're usually very low-level trolls
  5. ask nasty questions about Answerbag or Answerbag members
  6. other "bad" things (if you think of any more that "trolls" do, let me know)

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Handling Trolls AB FAQ Permalink

Joel (Answerbag founder) asked and answered the question "How do I deal with a troll on Answerbag?" New Window in the category "Troll Peeves", to explain. Here's the answer:

First, stop, take a deep breath, and realize that it's nothing personal. There are people on the Internet who will follow others around just for the sheer "fun" of getting a rise out of them. If you react to them, you are playing into their hands, and making the game fun. That said, here's what we recommend:

Step 1. Alert the Answerbag staff using the Feedback Link at the bottom of the page, or emailing admin[at]answerbag.com. Please let us deal with the trolls and don't try to "fight back" or chase them around giving them negative ratings. This will just lead to escalation.

Step 2. Relax.

I answered another question, "What exactly are you suppose to do when your being Trolled?" New Window that turned out to be a duplicate of Joel's. Here's my answer:

Ignore it...

If it's bad, report it (for example http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/2841769 New Window - 4 DRs in a row? That's WAY past coincidence and totally ridiculous. Go to that question, feedback it, and report the trolls. Remember it's the weekend, so it might take the staff a bit to get to it.

And for questions like this, on which EVERYONE was DRed for even answering, report IT.

WE may not be able to tell who's doing the DRs, but the staff, I'm sure, CAN. (They just don't show it to us for fear of DR wars.) If there's no valid reason for the DR (the questions are good - and they are, or the answers are good - and they are), the trolls. will get theirs in the end.

Like I said before... Just continue being your sweet self, keep that occasional "hot head" in check, and YOU will be fine.

(And if the trolls. go away for a few days, then come back, consider that they MAY have been PBed, blame you and are back at it... Report 'em again, so they can be PBed again, and later, if they continue, banned.)

You could also take a couple of days off. Most trolls. don't have a good attention span and will go away when they're not getting to you or your friends.

Someone asked the question "I've been heavily targeted by trolls the last few days. I am going to go back on leave as this is not fun like I thought it would be. Someone let me know if they fix that k? I'll explain more in an answer." New Window

Here's the answer noted in the question:

Tonight I got 13 negative ratings in less than an hour with similar attacks last night. Most are -3 to -5 with an occasional -1 in there. Obviously I am not welcomed by either multiple people or by one person with multiple accounts who switch quite fast. In any case, I am in no state of mind to deal with it. If anyone wants to stay in touch, my email is <email address removed> At least there I can block if someone is rude.

I will finish here tonight, and may very rarely visit on occasion. But I just can't deal with this. If I want people to be rude, I'll go to a site where that's the standard. At least I'll know what to expect. Here it should not be the case. I thought this would be more refreshing, and it wasn't so much. It's not the same AB. I made a few new friends and saw a few old, but I can't put up with the nonsense.

[Source: http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/5410176 New Window ]

They created screenshots of many downrates, and posted them in the question as another answer, so everyone could see that they weren't making it up. See the source for the following "answer" to the question:

I went to eat breakfast and got over 16 more downrates. Perhaps even low key is not good enough. This time I do have screen shots though.

Now I added a new one which has 4 more.

New screenshot. I asked a question. I have 3 DR's in this shot, I will add more since I got more.

Here are the other two on the question about cramps for a total of at least 5!

[Source: http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/5415022 New Window ]

And, I answered with what I think is the definitive answer for when you are REALLY being hit hard:

I'm glad to know that you aren't leaving because of a spat with ONE user (she was worried, too).

However, if trolls are targeting you, screenshot the pages, showing the negatives, (as many as you can - turn off the comments and answers - you'll get the last five pages of ratings), and send them to . They will deal with the trolls. (And if you simply leave without doing this, you're leaving all of the newbies and others out here to deal with them.)

Personally, I hope you do the above, and stay. You may find it fun to "hunt troll"! Besides, we need all the intelligent, compassionate people we can get! ;-)

[Source: http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/5410442 New Window ]

So, the best thing you can if you are trolled is:

  1. for a few downrates:
    1. to try to ignore them
      Many long-time users who are trolled a lot leave their ratings turned off so they don't even see them.
    2. leave a little comment for them and let it go
      This not only tells others you've been downrated, but if your comment points out how correct your answer is, or explains the answer further, then others who read it may "posi-troll" you (see below), and show their support in comments. (Makes the troll look bad.)
    3. Send an email to Answerbag Admin () with:
      1. the URL of the question, or Permalink of the answer. on which the situation occurred
      2. the problem as you see it
      3. screen shots of your activity or feedback page(s), showing the list of downrates (if necessary) NOTE: You may wish to turn off the answers and comments, so only ratings appear.
  2. for nastiness or almost anything else, first and foremost, DO NOT RETALIATE IN KIND. If you can state your case without being nasty back, you make the trolls look bad. If you do retaliate, then YOU look bad, too, and may be PBed, as well.
    Then:
    1. contact a Community Leader (see ABUG - Policing Answerbag - Community Leaders section) with the URL of the question, or the Permalink of the answer in which it occurs. They are usually faster than the site admins at this.
    2. on the page on which it occurs,
      1. scroll to the bottom of the page
      2. click Feedback (the page URL will be loaded automatically)
      3. fill out the form with with the problem as you see it
    3. Send an email to Answerbag Admin () with:
      1. the URL of the question, or Permalink of the answer, on which the situation occurred
      2. the problem as you see it
      3. screen shot(s) of the nastiness (The questions, answers, or comments may be "cleaned up" before staff sees it. That's one of the Community Leaders' jobs.)

Arisztid New Window has created a comprehensive guide to dealing with clones and trolls, asking, then answering, the question "What is the most effective way to get rid of a clone (someone who is mimicking a real AB member's name and/or picture) or an out and out troll? My answer shall be inside:" New Window. The answer is quite long, so I have not reproduced any of it here. Click the question or New Window, following it. I may put it on an ABUG Appendix page. We'll see.

There are also several members of AB who are members of the Anti-Troll Club called COAT ("Coalition of Anti Trolls"). Almost all may be recognized as they have "COAT of" following their names. Find one that's on, or been on in the last few minutes (check their activity), and tell them in their last comment thread that you have been trolled and where. They will probably marshal the troops, and you should be posi-trolled by at least a few of them.

From Arisztid's Profile:

All we do is positroll (points up) people who have been trolled and offer them support. We do not even, as a group, downrate trolls and we do not points up each other. Each COAT member picks what "type" of COAT.

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Posi-Trolls AB FAQ Permalink

"Posi-Troll" (Positive Troll) can be both a noun and a verb. As a noun, it means "those who exhibit posi-trolling behavior". As a verb, it means, basically, "doing what posi-trolls do". If you are called that, it means you've done, or at least they think you did, something positive toward someone, either toward them, or toward someone else.

Posi-Trolls , or as some call them, "Post-Trolls", are members who reverse the "damaging" downrates done by Trolls (see above). They will occasionally posi-troll a whole question's answers, or if they find out someone's been trolled, all of that person's trolled questions or answers. They will, sometimes, simply find someone they like, and posi-troll their answers.

This is normally a good thing, but if a posi-troller simply does it for the latter reason only, and don't actually read the answers, making sure they are good, they are doing a bit of a disservice to both Answerbag and the person they are posi-trolling. To Answerbag, as the idea is to have the best answers at the top of each question's list of answers. Posi-trolling (as can trolling) can change that order, so a "bad" answer, or one that's not quite as good, can be the "Top Answer" for a given question. Posi-trolling questions falls into the same category. For the person, they may believe that their answer or question is the best, and not strive to do better.

Posi-trolling is seen in a positive light, but please posi-troll with Answerbag's and the person's interests in mind.

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