Olympics Moments
(2004 Summer Olympics)
by Bill Sanders - August 25, 2004
Page last updated/all links last verified July 24, 2006
Following, with a couple of additions, is an email I sent out to friends last night. It seemed to fit with my Opinions and Rants page, so I put it here, making an "adjustment" or two. The major "adjustments" are denoted inside square-brackets... ("[" "]")
I know there are other links and other commentary out there on most of the following. This is my take on it from the stories noted and my own observations.
"Whine of the Week"
Khorkina says, ‘judges robbed me’ - Gymnastics - MSNBC.com Off Site New Window - Svetlana (the "ostrich" or "stork" in gymnastics...) says SHE should be the winner, and if the judges hadn't planned it in advance that America would win, she WOULD be... Heck... I THOUGHT she looked like a B-I-T-C-H... Apparently, she's out to prove that I was correct!
"Hamm Should Give Up his Medal"
Celizic: Hamm should give up the gold - Gymnastics - MSNBC.com Off Site New Window - To a WHINER? Yes... the judges made a .1 mistake in the start value of the Korean's score, but 1) it wasn't noticed or complained about until after the medals were awarded, meaning he missed his chance; and 2) he performed a move that should have accounted for another .2 deduction, so he shouldn't have even gotten the bronze. Notice how the Koreans don't have a complaint about THAT mistake? OBVIOUSLY, it's another one of those "American Conspiracies"... GEEZE. And this writer is an American! Hamm himself didn't expect to win the gold, but once it's around his neck...
THEN what happens?
Nemov says judges cheated him on high-bar - Gymnastics - MSNBC.com Off Site New Window - The Russian gymnast, Nemov, did a fantastic 6-release high-bar routine, and the judges scored him in third place, before Hamm went out. The crowd went nuts, booing and jeering. The judges changed the scores, basically not changing anything but the points, and until Hamm was about 1/2-way through his routine, the crowd continued making a lot of noise. THEN, the judges scored Paul tied in first place (and, with the "tie breaker" crap, he ranked #1 - GOLD! - again)! The NBC announcers asked "What are they doing to him... This leaves him with the potential to have to explain another gold..." Explain a gold medal? What the judges say and what an athlete does are two different things. Are the judges trying to make the world hate the American Gymnasts? Why? Because we beat the world in the World Games? Because Paul was ranked as the #1 even BEFORE the Olympics? As it turned out, someone else won gold, and pushed Paul down to Silver... and the Russian completely out of contention. Hamm now has to talk about how he feels and why he doesn't believe he should give the medal to the Korean (which I didn't think he should do even before I found out about the extra deductions) forever. Vidmir (look him up) was just on NBC talking about how he has to defend our wins in a "boycotted" Olympics 20 YEARS AGO! GEEZE! When Judges are involved (no finish line, longest throw, fastest touch, whatever), there are BOUND to be mistakes. There were a LOT of things I saw that I thought were wrong. 9.6+s for people who "fell off the apparatus" or out of bounds, bobbles even I saw that didn't seem to be counted, and what appeared to be fantastic routines that were counted low. This also occurred in diving. No one complained there... What is it about Gymnastics.
[And if the Russians think that everything was decided in advance, and the Greeks are the host country, wouldn't more medals have gone to Greece? GEEZE. How 'bout some bread with that whine?]
Even so, too bad there don't appear to be any HONEST and IMPARTIAL judges in the world, anymore. DO I, personally, like certain people more than others? Certainly. Do I, personally, DISLIKE certain people more than others? Certainly. Would I be able to be objective in this type of judging? I would like to think so... And I think most of my friends would be able to, too. Can't anyone else? Does that mean I'm better than everyone else? No... Only the judges of these events! ;-) And I wish I didn't feel that way!
US Athletes Told to "Tone it down"
And, apparently, the athletes were told to "tone it down", not wearing USA apparel on the streets, and not to be "the obnoxious American", flag-waving, proud of your country, etc. (U.S. booed on field, warmly welcomed off it - Olympic news - MSNBC.com Off Site New Window) BULL! All the other countries people can wave their flags, wrap them around themselves, be proud to belong to the country they belong to. Why can't we. Because we are the "super power". The only one left. The one everyone else asks for help. The one MANY of the top athletes from other countries go to for school, training, etc. Heck, there are a couple of teams (China, I believe, is one) who have hired American COACHES. Yao Ming is playing for China, not America, where he is a star. Sorry... He's top-of-mind... there are MANY more. THAT would be an interesting story... How many athletes at the Olympics are going to school in America? ... play for American Teams (professional or otherwise) most of the time? ... Train with American athletes? ... Compete for American universities/colleges? LIVE in America, but compete against her in World competitions? Why shouldn't those who actually compete FOR America be proud of it (and allowed to show it)?
Other Stuff
[Then, there are the interminable "doping" scandals. What kind of idiot athletes or trainers use banned substances, knowing they are going to be tested, and that at some point, apparently even years later, they are going to be caught? In the old days, "cheaters" were fined and the money used to erect a statue of Zeus at the entrance to the Olympic Stadium, with the cheaters' names chiseled in stone under them. Most, if not all, of these names are visible still. I don't know if their medals were "stripped". While today's press and tomorrow's history will make sure we never forget the cheaters' names -- heck, if we are still talking about the "boycotted Olympics" somehow tainting the medals those athletes won... -- if they prove that they can win without cheating, why can't we let go of the allegations or actual "convictions"? Heck, we give criminals, sometimes very violent and vile criminals, second chances. Why not athletes? HOWEVER, "cheat me once, shame on you, cheat me twice... YOU'RE OUT" should be the mantra, here, shouldn't it? Unless it falls under the following...
The flip side is the Romanian(?) gymnast who was given a "Sudafed-like" medication -- by a team doctor -- that contained a "banned substance", and was kicked out of the games. Remember how young many of these athletes are. They are trusting their trainers and other handlers to take care of them. If your doctor gives you a pill, do you question him? Then again, do you know all the "trace elements" that would show up in your urine with all the medications you take? Yes, there are athletes, of Olympic age and younger who take "banned substances" to improve their physique, their endurance, their... performance. But, if you are a 15- to 16-year-old competing on "the world's stage,", knowing that after every performance you will be asked to "pee in a cup" and that sample tested for -- at this point, around 200(?) -- banned substances, and that if you were caught, your name would forever be tainted in the athletic world, why would you take that chance? Yes, you may be more mature than most your age, but you are STILL a kid. You trust the "adults" who are "handling" you to take care of this type of thing so you can concentrate on your performance.
So how should doping really be handled?]
And have any of you noticed that most of the music played in the background of events like beach volleyball is American Rock and Roll? Bet they won't allow that in the floor exercises of gymnastics any time soon! [Especially "Born in the USA" by Bruce Springsteen!]
by Bill Sanders © August 25, 2004 - email:
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Reply from Glenn M, August 25, 2004
I agree, Bill. Read on for my own personal take on the subject.
Picture this if you will:
Fifty states. 3035 counties. 250,000,000 people. 33,500,000 foreign born. Representatives of virtually every ethnic society in the world. Virtually every religion also represented as well. Men and women. All age groups. Pacifists and militants. Fascist, communist, democratic, republican, tribal, and more political belief systems. All those statistics and more are representative of the United States alone.
In this country all these people live together peacefully (for the most part) under a coherent system of law which applies to everyone. Within this system we are all free to express our viewpoints, whether they agree with other people's or not, as long as it is done in a peaceful manner. My education and experiences are not the same as the next person's, so I do not expect to agree with his outlook and neither should I expect him to agree with mine 100% of the time.
So, after meandering for two paragraphs in what may seem to be an unfocused fashion, what the heck am I getting at? This: I think people sometimes get too wrapped up on a subject and loose sight of the reality of being a member of a species which consists of discrete individuals, each possessing free will. We are not ants or termites with a collective hive mind mode of living. The Olympic judges were chosen based upon their experience and diverse nationalities, as well as for political reasons (yep, politics plays an important part... the Olympics is an important international forum for political expression and communication between countries). Whether or not I personally agree with a decision, the fact remains that THEY are the people on hand at the event, THEY have training and experience I don't, THEY are on the spot for the job as judge, and THEY are plural...each event has more than one judge.
Despite our feelings on the subject, not all events or actions can be evaluated on a purely objective basis. Subjective view points are inevitable and, in fact, desirable in most cases. If a panel of judges awards gold, silver, and bronze medals to a group of contestants in a contest, then it can be assumed that it was a consensus between SEVERAL nations which lead to the final scores. Sure, politics probably plays a part and many countries probably exert clout in one fashion or another to sway some of the judges. But the fact remains that a DIVERSE panel of judges helps to mitigate this. Except in extreme cases, I refuse to be drawn into haggling over such a thing as "So and so should have been awarded the gold medal because the judges were...." because of the things I mentioned above.
It is one thing for a reporter to draw attention to the discrepancies that were apparent in such a contest and quite another to bitch about how "obviously unfair" (quotes are my own) a judging was due to circumstances which he touts and which also can't be proven, and also because the reporter wasn't in the judges seat and looking through the judges eyes with the judges training and experience. And to berate a contestant by demanding that he "explain" his medal or come down on him because he didn't "give" it to a "more deserving" competitor is the very pinnacle of rudeness and just plain bullshit. The bottom line is that an athlete EARNED his award.
Do injustices happen? Yep. Do they get caught? Sometimes, sometimes not. Bring forth the proof and make things happen the RIGHT way. Don't blow smoke up my ass and assume I'm an idiot who will blindly take obvious opinionated views as my own.
So, it is my considered opinion that such people are rude jerks and, since they are so plentiful, they provide a wealth of examples for me to use to teach my children the difference between correct and incorrect behavior.
And I don't expect everyone to agree with my opinion, as I explained above. To quote Voltaire: "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to day it." To which I add my own words: "Even if you're an ass."
Glenn
[If I get more responses, they will all appear on another page.
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